Comments on: Computers Replacing Doctors, Innovation and the Quantified Self: An Interview with Atul Gawande https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2015/02/05/computers-replacing-doctors-innovation-and-the-quantified-self-an-interview-with-atul-gawande/ Everything you always wanted to know about the Health Care system. But were afraid to ask. Thu, 01 Dec 2022 19:47:31 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.4 By: Thomas https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2015/02/05/computers-replacing-doctors-innovation-and-the-quantified-self-an-interview-with-atul-gawande/#comment-735862 Mon, 20 Apr 2015 08:15:43 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=78800#comment-735862 In reply to Saurabh Jha.

@ Chris Kapsa
You have misspelled the co. name. For the record and your surfing convenience, it is really http://fresenius.com/

]]>
By: John Ballard https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2015/02/05/computers-replacing-doctors-innovation-and-the-quantified-self-an-interview-with-atul-gawande/#comment-727352 Wed, 18 Mar 2015 11:49:46 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=78800#comment-727352 Todd, something tells me that cases like yours and Chris’ are more numerous than many want to believe. That link at Christine’s post referring to an explosion in the number of for-profit hospice enterprises is not the good indicator it should be. In my post-retirement job as care-giver I have seen several hospice situations, and not all are what I would call admirable. They range from not-for-profit residential settings at the luxury end to the most minimal collections of on-call nurses who mostly put in their time and move on to the next client.

I am at a loss to know the way out, but I do know that competition for that little $5000 hospice benefit offered by Medicare (or whatever it is) is driving the wrong kind of results. Just a couple weeks ago I heard a story form a friend that his father-in-law was in a residential hospice setting and they had the nerve to call and tell someone in the family that they were not prepared to keep anyone unless they had less than two weeks to live. That, of course, is not legal and the person was prepared to take legal action against the hospice company, but the man did, in fact, soon die.

All this is “anecdotal” as are your and Christine’s stories. But there is more here than meets the eye, and as you said, the profession needs to remember what it’s here to do.

]]>
By: John Burch https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2015/02/05/computers-replacing-doctors-innovation-and-the-quantified-self-an-interview-with-atul-gawande/#comment-723320 Sun, 22 Feb 2015 03:26:24 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=78800#comment-723320 I’m sorry to have to ask, but what was Gawande’s actual answer to the question, “Will computers replace physicians?”

]]>
By: civisisus https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2015/02/05/computers-replacing-doctors-innovation-and-the-quantified-self-an-interview-with-atul-gawande/#comment-719187 Fri, 06 Feb 2015 23:09:02 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=78800#comment-719187 In reply to Saurabh Jha.

Far, far too few people understand the implications of your insightful post. Too many ‘histories’ of how effective innovations get adopted are “just so” stories. That almost never is how it really happened. The “anthropology” of how new stuff becomes the stuff we do is really important, & seldom replicable from a formula; and that’s hard news for the algorithm-bedazzled.

]]>
By: Whatsen Williams https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2015/02/05/computers-replacing-doctors-innovation-and-the-quantified-self-an-interview-with-atul-gawande/#comment-719098 Fri, 06 Feb 2015 06:43:10 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=78800#comment-719098 Why did you repeat this stale cookie? I like Emma’s comment.

]]>
By: Mike-Truelifefitness https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2015/02/05/computers-replacing-doctors-innovation-and-the-quantified-self-an-interview-with-atul-gawande/#comment-712636 Sun, 11 Jan 2015 02:01:34 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=78800#comment-712636 Great article. People are definitely looking to the internet to make their own diagnosis

]]>
By: Mike Painter https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2015/02/05/computers-replacing-doctors-innovation-and-the-quantified-self-an-interview-with-atul-gawande/#comment-712599 Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:12:01 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=78800#comment-712599 “We’re having to build systems around those systems.” Check your irreverence at the door, Mike –and I will. Still, I can’t help it. Aside from the well-placed f-bomb, that’s my favorite line in this post. Assume that the “he wryly noted” was implicit.

I am a sucker for smart physicians writing passionately and well about their craft as both Drs. Gawande and Wachter do here. I also love the essentially optimistic outlook—Dr. Gawande observes that care is “massively better” these days. We all sincerely hope that’s the case. It’s of course hard to argue with advice that we should focus on our values and the basic simple steps—but first things first.

Like some readers though I do wonder if we’re as radically patient-centered here as we might hope. For instance, I thought the closing lines about QS telling. “We’re here to alleviate suffering.” And thank God you are. Nevertheless, the point about QS is less about “we’re here to help you” and more about data empowering the everyman and woman to help themselves.

Cheers for an awesome read

]]>
By: @BobbyGvegas https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2015/02/05/computers-replacing-doctors-innovation-and-the-quantified-self-an-interview-with-atul-gawande/#comment-712595 Sat, 10 Jan 2015 16:15:12 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=78800#comment-712595 In reply to John Ballard.

Indeed.

]]>
By: John Ballard https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2015/02/05/computers-replacing-doctors-innovation-and-the-quantified-self-an-interview-with-atul-gawande/#comment-712580 Sat, 10 Jan 2015 13:38:10 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=78800#comment-712580 In reply to Emma Thomas, RN.

I’m sure there are compelling arguments for and against EHRs but your ad hominem attack on these two men is way out of line. That comment embarrasses me on your behalf. You have reading and homework to do.

]]>
By: Emma Thomas, RN https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2015/02/05/computers-replacing-doctors-innovation-and-the-quantified-self-an-interview-with-atul-gawande/#comment-712562 Sat, 10 Jan 2015 12:58:18 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=78800#comment-712562 Confirms that EHRs are dangerous impediments to the safe and efficient care of patients, as has been my experience. Wachter and Gawande have residents and scribes using these systems and could not enter admission orders if their lives depended on it.

]]>