Comments on: Strategic Interests and the ONC Annual Meeting https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2020/01/29/strategic-interests-and-the-onc-annual-meeting/ Everything you always wanted to know about the Health Care system. But were afraid to ask. Fri, 31 Jan 2020 19:11:01 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.4 By: Adrian Gropper, MD https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2020/01/29/strategic-interests-and-the-onc-annual-meeting/#comment-865392 Fri, 31 Jan 2020 19:11:01 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=97500#comment-865392 In reply to William Palmer MD.

Indeed. Smaller hospitals sell the data. The larger academic ones don’t even have to sell the patient records. They can take grants to do machine learning and AI right behind their firewall and then transfer just the intellectual property in return for the “grant”. These deals are obviously secret because both parties want the grant to look like charity. Patient data never leaves the academic hospital so no patient consent is needed and privacy scandals are avoided. The only problem is for society as a whole, as medicine is privatized and turned into for-profit AI deal-by-deal.

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By: William Palmer MD https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2020/01/29/strategic-interests-and-the-onc-annual-meeting/#comment-865390 Fri, 31 Jan 2020 04:34:39 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=97500#comment-865390 Thanks for all your investigations of this Adrian. As long as hospitals and other stakeholders like big Pharma can sell this patient information, you will never be able to allow the patient to direct its flow. We have to change this permissiveness re sale before we can make information flow patient -centered.

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By: Adrian Gropper, MD https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2020/01/29/strategic-interests-and-the-onc-annual-meeting/#comment-865388 Thu, 30 Jan 2020 15:02:17 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=97500#comment-865388 In reply to Grahame Grieve.

Not Direct. FHIR. OAuth2. UMA. The standards (and policies) for managing access need to be separate from the standards from the data model, encoding, and transport. The industry chose to bundle the authorization models with the data model. That is reasonable from some perspectives but it’s not a sound foundation in my opinion.

The current debates around consent for patient-directed access, both API and “push” in TEFCA, integration of PDPMPs into EHRs, lack of end-to-end encryption in TEFCA are all due to this unsound foundation.

SMART or HEART could be chartered to deal with the authorization aspects of FHIR separately form the data model. Maybe we should start a new group.

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By: Grahame Grieve https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2020/01/29/strategic-interests-and-the-onc-annual-meeting/#comment-865387 Thu, 30 Jan 2020 01:22:45 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=97500#comment-865387 In reply to Adrian Gropper, MD.

Push messaging? Using direct? That’s a different use case to the framework for SMART on FHIR. FHIR can support push messaging, and we worked with direct to define how that would work across direct. Using direct does have it’s own problems from the patient’s pov, but we’re not about to take on the distribution identification/certificate problem – that’s more TEFCA space. If you think there’s a deficiency in the technical standards here, we can talk about that

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By: Adrian Gropper, MD https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2020/01/29/strategic-interests-and-the-onc-annual-meeting/#comment-865386 Thu, 30 Jan 2020 00:48:57 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=97500#comment-865386 In reply to Grahame Grieve.

It’s not about ONC enforcement or even about the US. The SMART on FHIR use-cases that have been developed are strategically designed to put messaging under the control of the hospital instead of the doctor or patient.

What is the EHR / FHIR equivalent of being able to send a fax to a pharmacy or another EHR by having the doctor or patient enter a destination address?

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By: Grahame Grieve https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2020/01/29/strategic-interests-and-the-onc-annual-meeting/#comment-865385 Wed, 29 Jan 2020 20:44:25 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=97500#comment-865385 > My pleas to the SMART and HL7 designers to enable patient-directed access were and still are quietly ignored

We declined to *enforce* patient directed access because that’s ONC business. What we do is enable it technically. We haven’t ignored requests for that to my knowledge…

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