Comments on: Keas Poll on Workplace Stress and Disease Burden Provides an Education https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2014/05/02/keas-poll-on-workplace-stress-and-disease-burden-provides-an-education/ Everything you always wanted to know about the Health Care system. But were afraid to ask. Thu, 01 Dec 2022 20:30:11 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.4 By: William Palmer MD https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2014/05/02/keas-poll-on-workplace-stress-and-disease-burden-provides-an-education/#comment-700325 Sat, 29 Nov 2014 20:55:26 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=72934#comment-700325 When we have wars, the suicide rate goes way down. This suggests that we feel better when we see others being stressed. Accordingly maybe we can improve stress in employees by causing more stress in employers and vice versa. Or perhaps the society needs more gladiatorial contests especially between employers or vicious labor strikes or boxing matches between bosses or disasters going off every which way in the front office, like broken fax machines and nasty secretaries.

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By: Donald Kirsten. https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2014/05/02/keas-poll-on-workplace-stress-and-disease-burden-provides-an-education/#comment-589130 Mon, 12 May 2014 16:49:50 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=72934#comment-589130 So why did they allow themselves to be over employed, where their cvs/profile a little overstated. It is usually more difficult to get the job done on time they cry your eyes out.

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By: Donald Kirsten. https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2014/05/02/keas-poll-on-workplace-stress-and-disease-burden-provides-an-education/#comment-589124 Mon, 12 May 2014 16:36:47 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=72934#comment-589124 To long to read and to many words to say one single thing. Boring and totally inconclusive. Try again. You earn your bread by the sweat of your brow. Do you think them in those days didn’t stress while at work with a supervisor armed with a whip… c’mon. It is a part of living.

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By: Bob Hertz https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2014/05/02/keas-poll-on-workplace-stress-and-disease-burden-provides-an-education/#comment-584662 Wed, 07 May 2014 00:16:45 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=72934#comment-584662 People have been dying of chronic diseases for thousands of years.

When there were wars and famines, then the death rate spiked up.

America is not perfect, but we are way ahead of places like Russia……where men started dying in their 40’s and 50’s after 1989– I think in large part due to rotgut vodka.

America’s problems are utterly trivial by historical standards. People are actually supposed to die when they get old, We do want to minimize pain and we do a decent job of that.

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By: Al Lewis https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2014/05/02/keas-poll-on-workplace-stress-and-disease-burden-provides-an-education/#comment-580873 Fri, 02 May 2014 22:35:04 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=72934#comment-580873 In reply to Rob.

HI, Rob, that one is in our book. The shocking statistic — from the CDC itself — is that 7 out of 10 people die of chronic disease. Perhaps they would like it better if 7 out of 10 people died of acute diseases, medical errors, homicides etc.

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By: Al Lewis https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2014/05/02/keas-poll-on-workplace-stress-and-disease-burden-provides-an-education/#comment-580871 Fri, 02 May 2014 22:33:18 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=72934#comment-580871 In reply to Brian Lawrence.

Glad you brought this up…

If they know so little about surveying that they could sample that disportionately, you’re right- -their average could be right…but then they would be showing they know less than nothing about sampling. Or at the worst they could have at least mentioned that they didn’t survey anything remotely approaching a representative sample.

Still, it’s hard to imagine how they could have surveyed only people who were average or higher than average.

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By: Vik Khanna https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2014/05/02/keas-poll-on-workplace-stress-and-disease-burden-provides-an-education/#comment-580863 Fri, 02 May 2014 22:20:27 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=72934#comment-580863 In reply to Rob.

Scare tactics are the heart and soul of the modern wellness and healthcare industries. Whether it’s decrying the number of deaths from heart disease, cancer, or Alzheimer’s, the best way to get people to engage with the healthcare system is to frighten them, even if it’s only restless leg syndrome.

Facts, such as stressors can be good or bad, and that two people can both see a situation as stressful and have strikingly different responses to it, don’t matter. It’s all about the games you can play with the data, with definitions of terms, and nondisclosure of useful information, to scare people into playing your game.

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By: Rob https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2014/05/02/keas-poll-on-workplace-stress-and-disease-burden-provides-an-education/#comment-580817 Fri, 02 May 2014 21:14:06 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=72934#comment-580817 Reminds me of a graphic I saw that raised the alarm about the dramatic rise of the number of people dying from chronic disease. As I thought about the work done on this study, I wondered if they considered the alternative: more people dying from homicide, suicide, accidents, infections….isn’t more deaths due to chronic disease what we want? It’s all about the zero-sum gain, where a curve (be it Gaussian or skewed) will always range between 0 and 100%, never more or less.

Keep reminding folks about this, as distortion of the obvious as remarkable is usually done by folks trying to gain from people’s credulity and unwillingness to see beyond the screaming headlines/advertisements. Thanks for this!

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By: Brian Lawrence https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2014/05/02/keas-poll-on-workplace-stress-and-disease-burden-provides-an-education/#comment-580751 Fri, 02 May 2014 19:15:48 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=72934#comment-580751 While I don’t disagree with the spirit of the blog, your mathematical reasoning (or jesting) is slightly flawed. First, this is a survey, thus the statistics only hold within the population of the survey. Thus, the 4/10 experience higher than average levels of stress may be a semantic issue, not a mathematical issue. Try inserting the word “reported” and you’ll see that mathematically 4 out of 10 could “report” experiencing higher than average workplace stress. Of course, this means the definition of “average” is left to the surveyee.

But, your argument that is more flawed is on the 72% of women and 28% of men. Again, this is within the survey data. Thus, if 500 women responded and 100 men – that woudl be 360 women and 28 men, equaling 65% of the survey respondents. On the flip side, if it were 500 men and 100 women, that would be 42% (close to the 40% total). You can’t just add percentages and average without knowing the base upon which the percentage was applied. Your assumption is that there was an equal number of men and women who responded to the survey. Don’t know if that is a valid assumption or not.

Why point this out? To show that you are guilty of logical fallacies just as Keas is. And you’re guilty of manipulating statistics to prove your point.

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By: Bill Springer https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2014/05/02/keas-poll-on-workplace-stress-and-disease-burden-provides-an-education/#comment-580745 Fri, 02 May 2014 19:10:00 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=72934#comment-580745 I’m guessing that your work itself is triggering abover-average levels of stress across the wellness industry right about now 🙂 And for good reason!

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