Comments on: #MomInHospital https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2013/08/17/mominhospital/ Everything you always wanted to know about the Health Care system. But were afraid to ask. Thu, 01 Dec 2022 20:30:45 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.4 By: Kathryn Bowsher https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2013/08/17/mominhospital/#comment-490498 Tue, 17 Dec 2013 20:02:20 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=64604#comment-490498 Great post. It is amazing what we can learn by looking in from the “other side.” I tend to be amazed at how much of the patient experience most medical professionals don’t understand and never think about.

The next step is improving the process and connections beyond the hospital walls. My parents are meeting with or just finished a meeting with mom’s surgeon as I typed. Last week when I spoke with the surgeon, I asked if I could be dialed into the discussion. He didn’t have a speaker phone. I asked if my parents brought their iPhones could he use that speaker phone. The response “I’ve never done a consult like that. I don’t know how I would make it work.”

Didn’t doctors play the telephone game as kids? What don’t you understand about the fact that not having everyone hear the same thing at the same time decreases the accuracy of the information exchange?

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By: Steve https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2013/08/17/mominhospital/#comment-464390 Sun, 10 Nov 2013 23:49:45 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=64604#comment-464390 I’ve spent too much time inside a hospital – first with my mom’s never-ending cancer treatments and now with my father’s health. I’ve seen good docs and bad, but the best staff was at Wake Forest. Everyone there made my family feel as best as we could, and we had complete trust in their abilities.

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By: Melissa https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2013/08/17/mominhospital/#comment-426882 Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:19:51 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=64604#comment-426882 Very nice insight on what it feels like inside the hospital. I too have had way too many visits as my mom is suffering from kidney disease. It’s difficult yet great to see that there are people, doctors, nurses and coordinators who go out of their way to give you extra care when needed.

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By: Vineet Arora https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2013/08/17/mominhospital/#comment-426788 Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:44:22 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=64604#comment-426788 Great post and thanks for sharing your mom’s story. I agree that It is certainly very revealing to get care at your own healthcare facility. With respect to the discussion about July, it is also my observation the best attendings often are on in July and providing extra supervision. Nurses are also on guard. As anyone knows, it is fatiguing to be on in July though since things take longer and more diligence is required to review. One solution that has not been well explored is adjusting workload. Unfortunately, medical intern patient caps (limit on number of patients they care for) are often the same on the first day as the last day of internship, despite knowing that the workload is more of a stress early in their career. One way to solve that is to actually reduce workload for new interns in early part of their internship so they ‘graduate’ up to higher workload caps. While this may make sense educationally, the problem is that from a hospital perspective this does not make sense financially as the work is reassigned to hospitalists. It’s also worth nothing that often new interns have not seen a patient for MONTHS (sometimes more than 6!). This could certainly be a cause of inefficiency when they start their internship. In addition to learning the new hospital, they are relearning how to care for patients efficiently. Imagine if the last rotation in MS4 year was a more intense clinical rotation that ramped up to internship. Im not sure it would be popular, but it would certainly likely make the transition to internship a bit easier. For this reason, many GME programs are now using boot camps to assess and improve core skills, which is very intense intervention compared to GME orientations in the past. There is no easy answer for July, but there are things we can try to make it an easier transition.

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By: Neel Shah https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2013/08/17/mominhospital/#comment-426764 Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:21:33 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=64604#comment-426764 We all dread July but I’m not sure it is because we genuinely believe that patients are in danger. It is because of the extra work it takes to orient and supervise the newbies.

Mistakes do happen but the evidence on whether patients are actually harmed more is mixed at best. In my experience, the short leashes and close supervision may actually make patients safer by creating important redundancies (at the cost of efficiency) compared to other times of the year.

Thanks for another fantastic and insightful post Bob.

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By: Vik Khanna https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2013/08/17/mominhospital/#comment-426727 Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:50:58 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=64604#comment-426727 I can empathize with Bob and Scott. My own experience with my mother’s death in early 2000 was equally jarring. It began with her having a major stroke at 1 am on 1/1/2000. By the time the rescue squad got her to the hospital, she’d suffered the first of two MIs; the second would come about four hours later, in what seemed to me at the time (only child, father already deceased) like my known universe coming apart at the seams. Fortunately, she was soon stabilized although she made it quite clear that she was ready to die, and she did soon thereafter, bringing respite that had eluded her here.

The physicians and nurses who cared for my mom were beyond reproach (with the exception of one overzealous cardiologist who needed her consciousness rearranged, which I was only too happy to do, when it came to the topics of intubation and resuscitation).

But, as I noted in my comments on Ashish Jha’s recent personal hospital experience (https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2013/08/14/average-care-at-a-typical-hospital-on-an-ordinary-sunday/), I think we miss an important and potentially unmatched quality improvement opportunity if we don’t encourage people to use social media to put pressure on the health care system. For too long, health care providers have gotten the benefit of the doubt, been given a pass on both poor behavior and poorly rendered care. What if the family of Josie King had been able to raise a social media ruckus about what was happening to their daughter (http://www.josieking.org/Home) at the vaunted Johns Hopkins Hospital in 2001?

In my recent reading experience, social media types in health care institutions want to use social media as a way to “communicate” with patients, extol the virtues of their institutions, and highlight their new products and services. This is all another way of saying social media is the next vehicle for optimizing payer mix and maximizing reimbursement. That’s not good enough.

The reality remains that in an culture where there is deep (and often justified) suspicion of corporate interests (and that’s mostly what a large hospital or health system is), there is no reason to exempt medical care providers from feeling the immediate sting of negative trending. It might be the easiest and most efficient way for US health care consumers to send the message that the system stinks (except for the most savvy), that health reform has made it only slightly less smelly, and that health care providers churn excuses faster than farmers churn milk into butter.

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By: Philip Lederer https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2013/08/17/mominhospital/#comment-426690 Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:46:19 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=64604#comment-426690 Thanks for an outstanding article.

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By: Bob Wachter https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2013/08/17/mominhospital/#comment-426560 Sun, 18 Aug 2013 07:17:09 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=64604#comment-426560 Scott — thanks for taking the time to read my thoughts and to comment. The evidence that care is worse in July (known in the US as “the July effect”; in the UK as the more macabre “August Killing Season”) is spotty (and there is really no evidence that care is worse in teaching hospitals, overall). Some studies show a definite rise in mortality in July, others don’t. In good teaching hospitals like UCSF, we put our best supervising physicians on and keep our eyes open a little wider, the leash a bit shorter. That said, based on my experience more than the literature, if I could choose (ie for elective surgery), I’d probably wait till later in the year. However, as you know, most inpatient care is not volitional.

The point you raise regarding reimbursement is a subset of a far larger issue in healthcare: should better care be paid better, regardless of the reason (time of year, better staffing, better training)? Here too, alas, the answer is: it’s complicated. The evidence that differential payment makes a difference in healthcare is underwhelming, though it’s certainly being tried, as part of today’s kitchen-sink approach to improving quality, safety, and efficiency. The problems with so-called “pay for performance” are many: healthcare people are motivated by more than money (as are NPR people); we’re not very good at measuring quality; and very large determinants of outcomes have nothing to do with the quality of care. In fact, if we’re not careful, a payment system can easily cause hospitals to shy away from taking poor patients, or those with limited social supports — since they are more likely to have worse outcomes.

One final point that adds yet one more wrinkle. When it comes to training doctors, nobody has come up with a better idea than having trainees actually begin taking care of patients, with supervision. There are ways of doing it better and safer (practicing on simulators, for example), but the bottom line is that there is that we all benefit from having trainees work on real patients. We all want experienced doctors, yet there is no way to get to your 100th case without somehow going through your first.

Thanks again. My best to you and your family — I’m a great admirer of your work and your tweets were really special.

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By: john irvine https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2013/08/17/mominhospital/#comment-426519 Sun, 18 Aug 2013 03:47:42 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=64604#comment-426519 Either that or more people will show up to take advantage of the “summer specials!”

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By: Scott Simon https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2013/08/17/mominhospital/#comment-426501 Sun, 18 Aug 2013 01:53:18 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=64604#comment-426501 I enjoyed reading through Dr. Wachter’s thoughts, even those that a lack of medical knowledge prevents me from understanding. And I’m happy for his family. There are a lot of good ideas there.

I am also amused by that phrase “July interns.” Do hospitals reduce their billings in July, because of staff inexperience and mistakes? We had some similar instances which, given my mother’s more dire results, are painful to recall now. But necessary.

I have an idea: reduce the costs that are billed in July and August, on the idea that everybody seems to know that the level of care is not as good. This will provide hospitals with an incentive to improve care to earn more money.

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