Comments on: Are Bipartisan Agreements on Health Care Possible? https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2018/12/24/are-bipartisan-agreements-on-health-care-possible/ Everything you always wanted to know about the Health Care system. But were afraid to ask. Mon, 13 Apr 2020 20:02:20 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.4 By: timt13 https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2018/12/24/are-bipartisan-agreements-on-health-care-possible/#comment-863819 Thu, 03 Jan 2019 01:17:56 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=95471#comment-863819 I get the impression that the Democrats want “Medicare for All” or keep Obamacare as is. Not a lot of discussion about compromise. That word is only muttered by the media.

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By: Barry Carol https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2018/12/24/are-bipartisan-agreements-on-health-care-possible/#comment-863818 Tue, 25 Dec 2018 22:32:44 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=95471#comment-863818 In reply to Peter.

I’m with Peter on this one. As I understand it, between 15 million and 16 million people currently work in our healthcare and health insurance system. Over 5 million of those work in hospitals. Doctors, and probably NP’s, PA’s and nurses all make more money than their counterparts in other developed countries do. Gross Medicare and Medicaid spending combined is currently about $1.25 trillion per year which includes beneficiary premiums, state payments on behalf of dual-eligible beneficiaries and IRMAA surcharges from higher income people. The whole pricing issue mainly relates to commercially insured people not yet eligible for Medicare and the uninsured. Roughly 150 million people currently get their health insurance through an employer. That coverage costs $6,000-$6,500 per year per covered life or $900-$975 billion in total. The 20 million or so who get their coverage through the individual insurance market probably accounts for another $100-$125 billion of spending assuming many of these policies offer skimpier coverage than large employers provide. We also still have 25-30 million people who lack health insurance. In short, I don’t see where savings vs. the current spending trend come from, especially since the current trend is better (slower) than it was 10 or 15 years ago.

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By: pjnelson https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2018/12/24/are-bipartisan-agreements-on-health-care-possible/#comment-863817 Tue, 25 Dec 2018 20:52:29 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=95471#comment-863817 In reply to Peter.

The CMS people have an actuarial unit that has evolved an accounting system to track health spending by all the various sources of revenue that pays for the various institutions that support the providers of healthcare. The most accessible group that regularly assesses this information and produces various reports based on this information can be found at the Altarum Institute. It seems that the CMS accounting structure was originally formulated around 1960. It has been updated periodically since then. This accounting system is similar to the practices of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), of which the USA is one of its 35 members.

For pricing, a reference process is occasionally defined as a multiple of medicare reimbursement processes. In fact, there was a time when many large health insurance companies bargained with providers as stipulated by a multiplier of Medicare. Right now most of this real time data is considered proprietary. Some hospitals will print their public charge rates. If I were an attorney, I would not want to be in court on the basis of how reliably these were applied to each healthcare encounter. In fact there was a time when several large medical centers did not accept Medicare insurance and charged whatever the market would pay, especially the well-off from foreign nations.

Here is one final observation. The Federal government pays cash through medicare and medicaid that represents 40% of our nation’s health spending. If you accept that our nation’s health spending should be around 13% of the GDP, 40% of the Federal governments health spending would have represented $1 Trillion in 2017. The 12-13% GOAL for health spending represents an analysis of health spending within all 35 of the OECD nation’s. The excess health spending is the largest component of our nation’s annual deficit. In effect, you could project that out nation is headed to bankruptcy on the back of health spending!

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By: Peter https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2018/12/24/are-bipartisan-agreements-on-health-care-possible/#comment-863816 Tue, 25 Dec 2018 18:05:51 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=95471#comment-863816 In reply to pjnelson.

“Maintain a 3 years running average of health spending growth to 0.6% less than economic growth for 10 years. In effect, this would reduce health spending as a portion of the GDP from 18% to 12%.’

Does “health spending” mean system use or system pricing? If use how would you do this? If pricing how would you do this?

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By: pjnelson https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2018/12/24/are-bipartisan-agreements-on-health-care-possible/#comment-863815 Tue, 25 Dec 2018 17:37:49 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=95471#comment-863815 Since the “pricing” basis for health spending is considered as proprietary information underlying the health insurance industry, this is likely to be a futile strategy concept without heavy handed Federal involvement. Furthermore, anything that might lead to decreased employment in the insurance industry would not sit well with the Governor of each Sate.

To decrease health spending as a portion of our national economy, it’s possible there is ONE STRATEGY that has been overlooked. As a prelude, we should all agree that the goal is to manage health spending as a portion of our national economy. The GOAL might be best stated as follows: Maintain a 3-year, running average of ANNUAL health spending growth to 0.6% less than our Nation’s, annual economic growth for 10 years. In effect, this would reduce health spending as a portion of the GDP from 18% to 12%. It is likely that after 5-7 years, stabilizing our nation’s health spending growth as a portion of the national economy would itself represent a stimulus for economic growth.

By envisioning the ‘health spending’ problem as based on economic growth, we can then approach the behavioral economists about possible new strategies for managing the resource allocation processes by the actual spending decision-makers: especially its Primary Healthcare providers ( think POWER LAW DISTRIBUTION CURVE phenomena).

For anyone fond of Nobel Prize winner Richard H. Thaler’s MISBEHAVING and NUDGE books, we just need a small group (5-7) of authentic and diversely-representative, healthcare stakeholders to meet with the University of Chicago economists to initiate several 3-year, trials to arrive at the best solution. Let’s see, who would be the best sponsors…

Ideally, a quotation from Eleanor Roosevelt says it all, “It better for everybody when it gets better for everybody.” Three states with newly evolving Medicaid expansion projects should be selected: one in the West, one in the Southeast and one in the Northeast. I nominate our leader, Mathew Holt, to round-up the economists. Presumably, the economic resources would spontaneously appear with an appropriate level of prodding ( hint: AAMC ).

A Behavioral Economics approach to health spending should acknowledge the Design Principles that have been identified for managing a common pool resource.

See WILSON, OSTROM & COX at http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jebo.2012.12.010

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By: Barry Carol https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2018/12/24/are-bipartisan-agreements-on-health-care-possible/#comment-863814 Tue, 25 Dec 2018 14:45:09 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=95471#comment-863814 As a patient, I worry about doctors in practices owned by hospitals being pressured to keep as much referral business as possible within the hospital’s system whether it’s in the patient’s best interest or not. If he/she would be reluctant to send a friend or family member to one of the system’s hospitals, I would prefer to go somewhere else too.

When it comes to costs of providing service, it’s important to note that academic medical centers have inherently higher costs than community hospitals because of their education and research missions and they provide the most sophisticated care to the highest risk and most complex patients. Community hospitals have inherently higher costs than ambulatory surgical centers because hospitals must operate around the clock and the ASC’s don’t. That said, the more care we can SAFELY drive out of hospitals, the better. Medicare’s reimbursement approach was initially designed to reimburse providers for their costs, including, presumably, the cost of capital so payments for the same care are not uniform across providers in a given city or region. That said, I think site neutral payment for care that can easily be delivered outside of a hospital setting like office visits and simple procedures is a good idea.

Regarding insurance premiums, I find it interesting to note that the standard monthly rate (based on age 75 and above) for my AARP/United Healthcare Medicare supplemental coverage only increased by 17.1% from 2012 to 2019 from $225.00 to $267.50. Since 2011, the Medicare Part B premium only went up by 17.4% from $115.50 to $135.50. For the eight years before that from 2003-2011, it increased by 96.6% from $58.90 per month to $115.50. Maybe something positive is happening here on the healthcare cost front.

Finally, I heard the CEO of CVS Health, Larry Merlo, say recently that he thinks its merger with Aetna will help the combined company to lower healthcare costs by better managing chronic diseases and conditions including diabetes, asthma, heart disease, hypertension and mental illness. The common thread running through all of those is the importance of medication compliance. I’m not sure I understand how the combined company will do a better job managing these patients than Aetna was doing before the merger but CVS Health does have thousands of retail pharmacies and stands ready to fill prescriptions for Aetna’s insured members as needed.

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By: LeoHolmMD https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2018/12/24/are-bipartisan-agreements-on-health-care-possible/#comment-863813 Mon, 24 Dec 2018 20:29:19 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=95471#comment-863813 In reply to Peter.

“So if we could have, say, 20 more hospitals in a service area they would compete on price?”

They would do what large health systems are doing now: amplifying and maximizing services. Beyond that, they consolidate or close.

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By: LeoHolmMD https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2018/12/24/are-bipartisan-agreements-on-health-care-possible/#comment-863812 Mon, 24 Dec 2018 20:11:20 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=95471#comment-863812 There is only one thing that you can be sure of in a bipartisan way: these groups are full of crap. The “choice and competition” crowd are living in a fantasy world. When it’s their business interest that is at stake, they will quickly eliminate both. Everyone you mention in this article has been pro-consolidation in every sector EXCEPT with respect to physicians, because nothing could be worse than labor consolidating, right? The only thing worse would be patients consolidating. Big Government and Big Hospital are both causing problems with Big Payer funding the whole disaster. So unfortunately, you will never see the following:
1) liberate doctors from the grip of hospitals

No one wants doctors to consolidate. No one wants doctors making independent decisions and using their judgment to best serve patients. Hence metrics. Hence Choose Wisely. Hence Payer reinforced destruction of private practice. Hospitals want guaranteed business. Referral integrity, they call it. Freeing doctors frees patients, and that will not be tolerated by the Medical-Insurance-Government complex.

2) replace competition between insurers with competition between physician-led entities, such as ACOs and primary care-oriented medical groups.

Good luck. Insurers are going to keep their death grip on their vestigial function as long as they can. They will branch off into: “care coordination”, “quality improvement”, “competition”…whatever. They will start buying health systems before long. Whatever keeps them going. And no one is going to stop them. Just look at some of the mega mergers happening lately.

So it’s possible we may have a “single payer” system as consolidation progresses, although it will be privately owned, unaccountable and you won’t have to worry about partisanism…your votes will be useless.

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By: Peter https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2018/12/24/are-bipartisan-agreements-on-health-care-possible/#comment-863811 Mon, 24 Dec 2018 19:12:45 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=95471#comment-863811 ““Ensuring that markets function efficiently is central to an effective health system that provides high quality, accessible, and affordable care,””

Healthcare will never be an “efficient functioning” market. It’s a different animal completely to selling widgets. All health care requires subsidies . and employer plans are just another subsidy.

“Azar favors consumer-driven plans coupled with health savings accounts to give patients an incentive to seek value and thereby reduce costs.”

So what sector of consumers does this benefit – those needing the ACA? HSAs favor the rich(er) and what part is “consumer-driven”, the ones with ever increasing co-pays and deductibles? Where did the, “you can keep your doctor” philosophy go?

“He praised CMS for switching to site-neutral payments for all services offered by both hospital-employed and private practice physicians.”

The best site-neutral payment system will be Medicare for all.

“But those radical changes would be impossible without universal health coverage,”

Exactly.

“and they might be willing to encourage states to throw out certificate-of-need laws.”

So if we could have, say, 20 more hospitals in a service area they would compete on price?

“Only real competition among providers can constrain healthcare spending.”

Yes, lets have the same competition as Cadillac dealers, which Cadillac would you like to purchase Mr. health care consumer.

Trump and Republicans want consumers to be able to buy health care from the sickness buffet. Only buy what you can guess you’ll need.

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By: Steve2 https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2018/12/24/are-bipartisan-agreements-on-health-care-possible/#comment-863810 Mon, 24 Dec 2018 17:51:34 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=95471#comment-863810 I think almost everyone agrees that competition would be a good way to cut costs, but no one has ever figured out to achieve real competition in the health sector. At some point we should probably accept that and move on to other ways to cut costs.

Steve

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