By MATTHEW HOLT

Okay, I can’t do it any longer. As much as I tried to resist, it is time to write about ambient scribing. But I’m going to do it in a slightly odd way

If you have met me, you know that I have a strange English-American accent, and I speak in a garbled manner. Yet I’m using the inbuilt voice recognition that Google supplies to write this story now.

Side note: I dictated this whole thing on my phone while watching my kids water polo game, which has a fair amount of background noise. And I think you’ll be modestly amused about how terrible the original transcript was. But then I put that entire mess of a text  into ChatGPT and told it to fix the mistakes. it did an incredible job and the output required surprisingly little editing.

Now, it’s not perfect, but it’s a lot better than it used to be, and that is due to a couple of things. One is the vast improvement in acoustic recording, and the second is the combination of Natural Language Processing and artificial intelligence.

Which brings us to ambient listening now. It’s very common in all the applications we use in business, like Zoom and others like transcript creation from videos on Youtube. Of course, we have had something similar in the medical business for many years, particularly in terms of radiology and voice recognition. It has only been in the last few years that transcribing the toughest job of all–the clinical encounter–has gotten easier.

The problem is that doctors and other professionals are forced to write up the notes and history of all that has happened with their patients. The introduction of electronic medical records made this a major pain point. Doctors used to take notes mostly in shorthand, leaving the abstraction of these notes for coding and billing purposes to be done by some poor sap in the basement of the hospital.

Alternatively in the past, doctors used to dictate and then send tapes or voice files off to parts unknown, but then would have to get those notes back and put them into the record. Since the 2010s, when most American health care moved towards using  electronic records, most clinicians have had to type their notes. And this was a big problem for many of them. It has led to a lot of grumpy doctors not only typing in the exam room and ignoring their patients, but also having to type up their notes later in the day. And of course, that’s a major contributor to burnout.

To some extent, the issue of having to type has been mitigated by medical scribes–actual human beings wandering around behind doctors pushing a laptop on wheels and typing up everything that was said by doctors and their patients. And there have been other experiments. Augmedix started off using Google Glass, allowing scribes in remote locations like Bangladesh to listen and type directly into the EMR.

But the real breakthrough has been in the last few years. Companies like Suki, Abridge, and the late Robin started to promise doctors that they could capture the ambient conversation and turn it into proper SOAP notes. The biggest splash was made by the biggest dictation company, Nuance, which in the middle of this transformation got bought by one of the tech titans, Microsoft. Six years ago, they had a demonstration at HIMSS showing that ambient scribing technology was viable. I attended it, and I’m pretty sure that it was faked. Five years ago, I also used Abridge’s tool to try to capture a conversation I had with my doctor — at that time, they were offering a consumer-facing tool – and it was pretty dreadful.

Fast forward to today, and there are a bunch of companies with what seem to be really very good products.

Nuance’s DAX is in relatively wide use. Abridge has refocused itself on clinicians and has excellent reviews, (you can see my interview and demo with CEO Shiv Rao here) and Nabla has just published a really compelling review from its first big rollout with Kaiser Permanente, Northern California in the NEJM no less. (FD I am an advisor to Nabla although not involved in its KP work). And others like DeepScribe, Ambience, Augmedix and even newcomers Innovaccer and Sudoh.ai seem to be good options.

If you take a look at the results of the NEJM published study that was done in Northern California using Nabla’s tool, you’ll see that clinicians have adopted that very quickly, with high marks for both its accuracy, and the ability to deliver a SOAP note and patient summary very quickly. And it has returned a lot of time to the clinician’s day. (Worth noting that independent practice Carbon Health has built its own inhouse ambient scribe and used it on 500K visits so far)

The big gorilla on the EMR side, Epic, has integrated to some extent with Nuance and Abridge, but many of the other companies are both working to integrate with Epic and are inside other EMR competitors – for instance Nextgen is private-labeling Nabla. At the moment, for basically everyone integration really just means getting the note summary into the notes section of the EMR.

But there is definitely more to come. For many years, NLP companies like Apixio, Talix, Health Equity and more (all seemingly bought by Edifecs) have been working on EMR notes to aid coders in billing, and it’s an easy leap to assume that will happen more and more with ambient scribing. And of course, the same thing is going to be true for clinical decision support and pretty soon integration with orders and workflow. In other words, when a doctor says to a patient, “We are going to start you on this new drug,” not only will it appear in the SOAP note, but the prescription or the lab order will just be magically done.

But is it reasonable to suppose that we are just paving the cowpath here? Ambient scribing is just making the physician office visit data more accessible. It’s not making it go away, which is what we should be trying to do. But I can’t blame the ambient scribing companies for that. And as I have (at length!) pointed out, we are still stuck in a fee-for-transaction system in which the health services operators in this country make money by doing stuff, writing it up, and charging for it. That is not going away anytime soon.

But given that’s where we are, I think we can still see how the ambient scribing battle will play out. 

Nuance’s DAX has the advantage of a huge client base, but frankly, Nuance has not been an innovative company. One former employee told me that they have never invented anything. And indeed, the DAX system was massively enhanced by the tech Nuance acquired when purchasing a company called Saykara in 2021, some years after that unconvincing demo back at HIMSS 2018.

So innovation matters, but the other issue is the cost of ambient scribing, which in some cases is nearing the cost of a real scribe. Nuance’s DAX, Suki, and even new entries like Sunoh seem to be around the $400 to $600 a month per physician level. Sunoh is offered by eClinicalworks and has some co-ownership with that EMR vendor. What’s amazing is that at the price quoted at HIMSS of $1.25 per encounter the ambient scribing tool would cost a busy family practice doc seeing 25 patients a day as much as the EMR subscription, around $600 a month.

Abridge has been quoted at roughly $250 a month, and Nabla seems to be considerably less expensive, around $120. But realistically, the whole market will have to compress to about that level because the switching costs are going to be very trivial. Right now, with most of them requiring a paste and copy into the EMR, it’s almost zero.

Which then leads to some more technical issues. How good will these systems become? (Noting that they are already very good, according to reviews on the Elion site). And what will happen to the way they store data. Most of them are currently moving the data back to their cloud for processing. But this may not be acceptable for health systems that like to keep data within their firewalls. For what it’s worth, Nabla, being from the EU and very conscious of GDPR, has been pushing the fact that its process stays on the physician’s local machine – although I’m not sure how much difference that makes in the market.

The other technical issue is the reliance on the large LLMs like OpenAI, Google, etc., compared to companies that are using their own LLM. Again, this may just remain a technical issue that no one cares much about. On the other hand, accuracy and lack of anonymization will continue to be a big issue if more generic LLMs are used. Now the fascination with the initial ChatGPT type LLM is wearing off, there’s going to be a lot more concern about how AI is using health care as a whole–particularly its tendency to “hallucinate” or get stuff wrong. That will obviously impact ambient scribing, even if mistakes may not be as serious as perhaps patient diagnosis or treatment suggestions.

So it’s too early to know exactly how this plays out, but it’s not much too early. In some ways, it’s very refreshing to see the speed at which this new technology is being adopted. As it is, the number of American doctors using ambient scribing is probably below 10%. But it’s highly likely that number goes up to 70%+ in very short order.

The problem that it is fixing for doctors is one that has been around for thousands of years and also one that has been particularly acute for the last twenty years or so. It’s almost like we’re in a period where the doctor suffering with having to  type up their notes in Epic–written up so eloquently by Bob Wachter in his book, “The Digital Doctor,”– is going to be a historical artifact that lasted for fifteen years or so. Maybe it’s going to be talked about nostalgically, like those of us who reminisce about having to get online with dial-up modems.

I’m pretty sure that the winners will be apparent in a couple of years, and that somebody, possibly Microsoft, or possibly the investors in big rounds at 2021 style valuations for Abridge or Ambience, may be regretting what happened in a couple of years. Alternatively, one of them may be a monopoly winner that soon starts printing money.

I suspect, though, that ambient scribing will essentially become a close-to-free product for all different types of business and that clinical care will not be much of an exception. That suggests that a company like Anthropic or OpenAI with close connections to the tech titans, Amazon and Microsoft, will end up becoming more of a feature for the tech giants. My guess is that they will be delivering that product for free probably also into much of clinical care, including ambient scribing. Of course, Epic may decide that it wants to do the same thing, which may leave its partners including Microsoft in the lurch.

It’s reasonable to expect that all aspects of life, including education, general business, consumer activity, and more, will find note-taking, summaries, and decision support a natural part of the next round of computing. For instance, anyone who has had a conversation with their contractor when renovating a house would probably love to have the notes, to-dos and agreements automatically recorded. It’ll be a whole new way of “keeping people honest”. Same thing for health care, I suspect.

But to be fair, we are not there yet. My dictation tool took this whole thing while watching a water polo game on Sunday. And I think you’ll be modestly amused about how terrible the original transcript was. But then I put that entire mess of a text  into ChatGPT and told it to fix the mistakes. it did an incredible job and the output required surprisingly little editing.

AI is getting very smart at working on incomplete information, and health care (as well as clinicians and patients) will benefit.

Matthew Holt is the publisher of The Health Care Blog and one upon a time ran the Health 2.0 Conference

By MATTHEW HOLT

In recent days and weeks, there have been three stories that have really brought home to me the inanity of how we run our health care system. Spoiler alert, they have the commonality that they all are made problematic by payment per individual transaction—better known as fee-for-service.

First, several health insurers who sold their reputation to Wall Street as being wizards at understanding how doctors and patients behave had the curtain pulled back to reveal the man pulling the levers was missing a dashboard or dial or three. It happened to United, Humana and more, but I’ll focus on Agilon because of this lovely quote:

“During 2023, agilon health experienced an increase in medical expenses attributable to higher-than-expected specialist visits, Part B drugs, outpatient surgeries, and supplemental benefits, partially offset by lower hospital medical admissions. While a number of programs have been launched to improve visibility, balance risk-sharing and enhance predictability of results, management has assumed higher costs will continue into 2024,” the company said in a statement

Translation: we pay our providers after the fact on a per transaction basis and we have no real idea what the patients we cover are going to get. You may have thought that these sharp as tacks Medicare Advantage plans had pushed all the risk of increased utilization down to their provider groups, but as I’ve be saying for a long time, even the most advanced only have about 30% of their lives in capitation or full risk groups, and the rest of the time they are whistling it in. They don’t really know much about what is happening out in fee-for-service land. Yet it is what they have decided to deal with.

The second story is a particularly unpleasant tale of provider greed and bad behavior, which I was alerted to by the wonderful sleuthing of former New Jersey state assistant director of heath benefits Chris Deacon, who is one of the best follows there is on Linkedin.

The bad actor is quasi-state owned UCHealth, a big Colorado “non-profit” health system. They have managed to hide their 990s very well so it’s a little hard to decipher how much money they have or how many of their employees make millions a year, but it made an operating profit last year of $350m, it has $5 BILLION in its hedge fund, and its CEO (I think) made $8m. It hasn’t filed a 990 for years as far as I can tell. Which is probably illegal. The only one on Propublica is from a teeny subsidiary with $5m in revenue.

So what have they been doing? Some excellent reporting from John Ingold and Chris Vanderveen at the Colorado Sun revealed that UC has been getting collection agencies to sue patients who owe them trivial amounts of money, and hiding the fact that UC is the actor behind the suit. So they are transparent on how much very poor people allegedly owe them, and come after them very aggressively, but not too transparent on how their “charity care” works. The tales here are awful. Little old ladies being forced to sell their engagement rings, and uninsured immigrants being taken to the ER against their will and given a total runaround on costs until they end up in court. Plenty more stories like it in a Reddit group reacting to the article.

What’s the end story here? UC Health gets a measly $5m (or a share of it) a year from all these lawsuits which is less than the CEO makes (according to a Reddit group—with no 990 it’s a little hard to tell).

Yes, all these patients are being billed or misbilled for individual procedures and visits. It makes people terrified of going to the doctor or hospital, and no rational health services researcher thinks that charging people a fee to use health care encourages appropriate use of care. Last month Jeff Goldsmith had an excellent article on THCB explaining why not.

Of course it goes without saying that if these patients were covered by some kind of a capitation, subscription or annual payment none of this cruelty or waste motion would be happening.

The final example is still going on.

Just over a year ago United HealthGroup, the $500bn market cap gorilla in America’s health care system, paid $13 Billion for Change Healthcare. Change was (and is) a giant in the business of revenue cycle management and claims processing. As Stat News’ Brittany Trang reports

Change ferries claims and payments between providers and insurers, and helps providers check on patients’ insurance information. Before Optum acquired Change in 2022, it served 1 million physicians, 39,000 pharmacies, 6,000 hospitals, and connected with 2,400 insurers.

United went to war with the DOJ and won in order to buy Change because it got them into the detailed flow of bills sent from providers (including pharmacies) to payers—presumably so they could get smarter about what’s going on out there. Well I suspect United is regretting it now. Last week Change got seriously hacked.

In response to the cyberattack last week, UnitedHealth unplugged Change’s connection to every hospital, medical office, and pharmacist that used it to execute one of those functions, whether those organizations interfaced with Change directly or through the complicated insurance claims bucket-brigade.

The complexity of the financial and clinical data flowing through Change is staggering even to those of us who had some idea what it did. But hospitals, doctors and pharmacies can no longer identify patients’ eligibility and more importantly can’t submit claims or get paid.

Why do we need “revenue cycle management” and “claims submission”?  Because of fee-for-service.

This is similar to the time in 2020 when Covid stopped hospitals and doctors seeing patients and submitting bills. Who was ok back then? Kaiser Permanente and other integrated “payviders” who get paid a flat amount per patient they take care of.

Plenty of other industries figure out a way around this. Netflix doesn’t charge per movie watched, my cable company charges me an outrageous amount for internet and TV and divvies it up among its suppliers, giving way too much to Fox News. Even phone companies have gone from pay per minute of each call to a bundled amount per month. Of course there are plenty of companies trying to unbundle this to charge more—as a soccer fan I am very conscious of this with different companies charging me to watch different competitions but none of them are charging per game watched!

But health care remains dead set on fee for service and there are plenty of companies like Change and those Colorado collection agencies that live precisely off this system. In the thirty plus years I’ve been looking at American health care none of the promise of value-based care has made fee-for-service less prevalent. In fact it’s usually just added to the complexity of it while using FFS as a base.

Why? Because in general, as Agilon and the other Medicare Advantage plans are discovering, if a provider gets paid for doing something to a patient, it’s pretty hard to stop them doing more of it.

Legendary Canadian health economist Bob Evans told me once that nothing that is regular is stupid. In other words if something keeps happening, there’s a reason behind it. In the case of fee-for-service in health care the reason is clear, and everyone—other than the dumbos paying for it–is in on the game. It’s just that the reason is stupid.

By MATTHEW HOLT

Last week Jeff Goldsmith wrote a great article in part explaining why health care costs in the US went up so much between 1965 and 2010. He also pointed out that health care has been the same portion of GDP for more than a decade (although we haven’t had a major recession in that time other than the Covid 2020 blip when it went up to 19%). However, it’s worth remembering that we are spending 17.3% of GDP while the other main OECD countries are spending 11-12%. Now it’s true that the US has lots of social problems that show up in heath spending and also that those other countries probably spend more on social services, but it’s also clear that we don’t actually deliver a lot more in services. In fact probably the most famous health economics paper of the last 50 years was Anderson & Rienhardt’s “It’s the Prices, Stupid”, which shows we just pay more for the same things. Anyone who’s looked at the price of Ozempic in the US versus in Denmark knows that’s true.

But suspend disbelief and say we actually wanted to do something about health care costs, what would we do?

There are 4 ways to cut health care costs

1. Cut prices
2. Cut overall use of services
3. Reduce only unnecessary services
4. Replace higher priced services with lower priced ones

Number 3 or reducing only unnecessary services is the health policy wonks dream.

The Dartmouth school, originating with Jack Wennberg, has done a pretty good job convincing the health policy establishment that there is massive practice variation across the nation (and even within cities and individual hospitals), and that while this leads to higher costs, it doesn’t result in better outcomes. In fact outcomes where there are more services and spending tend to be worse. Dartmouth does have its critics like Buzz Cooper, and maybe all the explanation of variables in health care spending is caused by well meaning doctors ministering to the inner city poor, but it’s not hard to find overuse bordering on fraud. There have been a ton of well meaning attempts to both educate patients to choose wisely and to get doctors to behave better (or at least report their data), but there’s a new report out showing that Dartmouth had it roughly right every day. (This recent NYTimes one is about cutting babies’ tongues to make them breastfeed more easily).

Overall there have been some reductions in some measures, like hospital admissions but many of those have been replaced with other services, and in general practice variation has not gone away. Could it happen? Maybe, but 50 years of evidence makes it look unlikely. Don’t forget that the Obamacare authors were faithful disciples of Dartmouth but not much of that philosophy ended up in CMS policy.

Number 4 or replacing higher priced services with lower priced ones is the Silicon Valley health tech dream cross-bred with the Dartmouth school’s love of primary care. I will admit to being a fan of this movement. If we can replace higher priced people (doctors) with lower priced people or non-people (AI) we should be able to deliver the same things we are doing today at a lower cost. For example, in the field of psychotherapy there’s currently a great shortage of therapists. One thing that’s being done is replacing therapists with lower qualified coaches. But the end game is to use AI-powered chatbots and avatars to do the same thing. 

A related attempt is to deliver preventative services using technology. This is now paid for by Medicare – it’s called remote physiological monitoring (RPM). While its introduction has been a tad bumpy, it intuitively makes sense. If you can start tracking the care of relatively sick people while they are at home and relatively healthy, surely you can pick up issues before they get worse, intervene with medication changes and other services in their homes, and therefore prevent hospital admissions and improve outcomes. In fact, given how cheap tracking technology is, and the advances in AI, can’t you monitor everyone (based on their level of acuity) and give them a personal AI health coach? I call this the “continuous clinic” and it’s a great idea if I say so myself. The problem is that it’s not going to happen easily in a medical world that manages its process in terms of office visits and hospital admissions and gets paid on those metrics. We simply don’t have the right type of new organizations to put this together. And if you believe John Glaser and Sara Vaezy’s recent piece in the HBR called Why the Tech Industry Won’t Disrupt Health Care, we’re unlikely to get them. (I think John & Sara hope that the incumbents will reform themselves, but they would say that, wouldn’t they!)

Which leaves us with 1, cutting prices, and 2, reducing overall use of services. 1 & 2 are what the rest of the OECD does. 

Virtually every country in the OECD has some form of central price controls. Even if they have multiple paying entities, like Germany, there’s one agreed price schedule. Or, as in the UK and Scandinavia, there’s a regional or national budget. The US also has such a national price control, but only for some people over 65, given that Medicare Advantage now covers half of that population, and only for some services. Notably it doesn’t cover drugs, although that will slightly change in the near future given CMS’ new ability to negotiate the prices of some drugs. 

To this point in the US, any attempt to squeeze down on Medicare prices produces two effects. One is violent disagreement on behalf of provider organizations, which spend more money lobbying than basically any other industry in America. Almost always this means that Congress balks at imposing any real cuts. The other is that providers find ways to transfer those costs onto patients unable to negotiate. You’d think that the patients’ representatives (insurers and employers) would resist that but RAND has shown that they are basically price takers, paying more than double what Medicare pays for the same thing. Again this could change, and there’s some recent legislative activity that has a few people very excited, and has spurred some lawsuits about fiduciary responsibility – ironically one from an employee of a drug company. But we remain a long long way from a German/Japanese/French style price schedule.

Which leave us with 2, reducing overall use of services. The name for this in US health political  (if not policy) circles begins with another R, rationing. The stories of Canadians flooding across the border to access American health care were always basically bullshit, but like today’s stories of critical race theory, transgender drag queens corrupting our youth, and millions of migrants invading the southern border, it doesn’t take much to wind up the Fox News crowd as the Democrats found out. In 2009 the very wonky issue of when women should get mammograms became death panels very quickly. (BTW if you want to read a lot more about Canada, here’s a classic THCB piece I wrote in 2003. Not that much has changed)

This all means that obviously and transparently reducing services, presumably by creating a UK style cost-benefit analysis commission, is unlikely to happen. We have tried outsourcing that to the private sector, particularly in Medicare Advantage. But the combination of naked greed and stupidity from the MA plans and the use of scary AI, will probably put paid to that soon enough now the trial attorneys have got hold of it.

So to summarize, we pay about double what most other countries pay in $$ terms and about 50% more as a share of our (much bigger) GDP. And of course we lead the league (still) in the number of uninsured people and those who are practically uninsured, or facing bankruptcy from medical bills. There are four ways we could fix it, but none of them seem that promising.

And I don’t see a way this changes any time soon.

Matthew Holt is the publisher of The Health Care Blog

By MATTHEW HOLT

I was invited on the Health Tech Talk Show by Kat McDavitt and Lisa Bari and I kinda ranted (go to 37.16 here) about why we don’t have primary care, and where we should find the money to fix it. I finally got around to writing it up. It’s a rant but a rant with a point!

We’re spending way too much money on stuff that is the wrong thing.

30 years ago, I was taught that we were going to have universal health care reform. And then we were going to have capitated at-risk entities. then below that, you have all these tech enabled services, which are going to make all this stuff work and it’s all going to be great, right?  

Go back, read your Advisory Board Company reports from 1994. It says all this.

But (deep breath here) — partly as a consequence of Obamacare & partly as a consequence of inertia in the system, and a lot because most people in health care actually work in public utilities or semi-public utilities because half the money comes from the government — instead of that, what we’ve got is this whole series of massive predominantly non-profit organizations which have made a fortune in the last decades. And they’ve stuck it all in hedge funds and now a bunch of them literally run actual hedge funds.

Ascension runs a hedge fund. They’ve got, depending who you believe, somewhere between 18 billion and 40 billion in their hedge fund. But even teeny guys are at it. There’s a hospital system in New Jersey called RWJ Barnabas. It’s around a 20 hospital system, with about $6 billion in revenue, and more than $2.5 billion in investments. I went and looked at their 990 (the tax form non-profits have to file). In a system like that–not a big player in the national scheme–how many people would you guess make more than a million dollars a year?

They actually put it on their 990 and they hope no one reads it, and no one does. The answer is 28 people – and another 14 make more than $750K a year. I don’t know who the 28^th person is but they must be doing really important stuff to be paid a million dollars a year. Their executive compensation is more than the payroll of the Oakland A’s.

On the one hand, you have these organizations which are professing to be the health system serving the community, with their mission statements and all the worthy people on their boards, and on the other they literally paying millions to their management teams.

Go look at any one of these small regional hospital systems. The 990s are stuffed with people who, if they’re not making a million, they’re making $750,000. The CEOs are all making $2m up to $10 million in some cases more. But it also goes down a long way. It’s like the 1980s scene with Michael Douglas as Gordon Gecko in Wall Street criticizing all the 35 vice presidents in whatever that company was all making $200K a year.

Meanwhile, these are the same organizations that appear in the news frequently for setting debt collectors onto their incredibly poor patients who owe them thousands or sometimes just hundreds of dollars. In one case ProPublica dug up it was their own employees who owed them for hospital bills they couldn’t pay and their employer was docking their wages — from $12 an hour employees.

Now despite the ACA hoping to change American health care, these hospital systems make all their money not by doing primary care, but by running their high intensity services — cardiology, neurology, orthopedics, general surgery and all the rest of it. They recruit superstar surgeons who keep the cash tills running—even if they came from doing quasi-fraudulent care down the street. And they’ve spent the last decade growing.

I used to think – and this was the intent of the ACOs under the ACA –that this would be sorted out by capitation and value-based care, but it just hasn’t happened. Hospital systems spent the last couple of decades growing by buying primary care doctors, running their practices at a loss and capturing all their referrals for the expensive procedural stuff. In fact there’s a term for this—they call it preventing leakage.

I’ve been looking at this for a while, and then the real crowning thing that pissed me off, the cherry on top of the sundae if you will, was the answer as to why do they have all this money in reserves, or in their hedge funds? Why does a small health system have $2 billion plus sitting in the stock market or sitting in cash? You know why? Well, presumably it’s there for a rainy day, right? When something bad happens, they have money and they can sustain themselves, to run their mission.

Well we had a rainy day starting in March, 2020. Inpatient and elective care got shut down under Covid and they all started losing massive amounts. What happened? They said, now we need a bailout. That was a huge part of the CARES Act.

The only two organizations I respected at that time were for-profit chain HCA and Kaiser Permanente who were given bailout money but  gave it back because they said they didn’t need it. But many more were like Commonspirit with 140 hospitals across the country, which got $1.5 billion. Hundreds of millions went to hundreds of these individual systems.

I haven’t done this scientifically, but we know that in their “reserves” Ascension has got $40 billion, UPMC has got $12bn, Kaiser’s got a ton as well. A medium sized systems like that RWJBarnabas in New Jersey’s has $2.5 billion, and one in Minnesota called Essentia, which I’d never heard of until last week, has more than $600 million in its reserves. There is probably $250 to $350 billion sitting out there on the balance sheets of every non-profit hospital in America. And if you chuck in the health plans, it’s probably way more. There’s likely an Apple or Google size cash mountain sitting out there

If you started American health care from scratch what would you do? You would give everybody primary care. If you look at the people who actually have been moving the needle on controlling hypertension and managing diabetes, it’s all people with a primary care approach, who spend a lot more money on primary care than on later stage specialty care for the people who already are sick.

I heard a great talk from Bob Matthews who works with an inner-city medical group with a mostly low income African America population, helping them manage hypertension. The best at doing this in the state of California is of course Kaiser where 70% of people with hypertension are within official guidelines and are “under control”. The state average is below 40%. But with this tough population Matthews’ group was at 94%. We know how to do it properly, but we don’t spend any money on it.

So how much do we spend on FQHCs which are basically primary care for poor people. I asked ChatGPT and the answer is $38 billion.

If my guess is correct there’s $300 plus billion in these hospital reserves sitting there not doing anything other than buying Nvidia stock and yet it costs only $38 billion a year to run the FQHCs. You could add another $38 billion a year for probably ten years just by confiscating all the reserves and the hedge funds of the rich systems–which they don’t seem to be doing anything with!

I understand that this is America. You will see no finer example of regulatory capture than the AHA and every single hospital in every single congressional district making sure that there is no such thing as a real assault on their balance sheet. And if things go in the least wrong, you know, they have all these employees and they’re very important for the local economy and yada, yada. And changing that is unbelievably difficult in America.

Bu at some point it’ll have to change.

Bob Matthews, who I mentioned earlier, is from a company called MediSync, which supports a bunch of primary care groups. They essentially use intelligent machines, telling the doctors which drugs the people with hypertension should be on and how they should be treated, and help the primary care docs match the patients to the guidelines. If you actually do that, you have a much better chance of actually helping people avoid the problems of hypertension, diabetes et al. There’s a bunch of stuff you have to do. It requires proper patient outreach and yada, yada, yada. It’s not easy, but you can do it. And we have failed to do it because more than half the people in this country don’t have access to a primary care doctor.

I remember at Health 2.0 years ago I asked Marcus Osborn why Walmart got into health care delivery. He said that they surveyed Walmart shoppers, asking how many of them had a primary care doctor? And about 60% of them said they have one, 40% said they didn’t have one. Then they asked the 60% what the name of their primary care doctor was, and half of them didn’t know it. So not much of a relationship there! So at that point they said, hang on, perhaps we should be investing in primary care. And that’s why Walmart, Walgreens, CVS et al are now in the primary care business — because they think there’s an opportunity because the current incumbents have done it so poorly.

And why would the current incumbent big health systems bother to do what Bob Matthew’s groups did? Because all they’re interested in is getting the expensive people into their facilities to do expensive stuff to them in order to generate money, which then ends up in their hedge fund.

This is so screwed up.

We’re spending so much more than anybody else. We do need hospital systems. We do need intensive inpatient stuff. We need to figure out how to fix cancer. But we need to do less of it and we need to pay less for all the stuff we’re doing. We’re spending way too much, when we’re paying 10 times what everybody else in the world is paying for drugs. They call it the free market. But there isn’t one. There’s price fixing and price setting.

Every other country does price setting. And we do price fixing by the companies who make Ozempic and Humira, and stents and hospital beds and then of course by the systems that provide all these services.

We shouldn’t be putting up with this. And expecting a free market approach to get it right means that we’re relying on people who haven’t figured it out for years. Like employers.

Healthcare is a regulated market. Our primary payer is the fricking federal government, it’s not the free market. I’m trying to connect the fact we need to spend money in places it’s not being spent while there’s this obvious source of money sitting there being managed by hedge fund guys.

Literally, the former CEO of Ascension actually moved over to the hedge fund and is paying himself like $12 million bucks a year to manage the investment. I mean, good luck to him. No one’s stopping him. But at some point, we’ve got to say, why do we allow this?

Because technically half the money in hospitals comes from the government. At least 50% of their activity is a public utility. If RWJBarnabas was a pure government organization would there be 28 employees making a million bucks a year? I sincerely doubt it.

So let’s have a real evaluation of what money is available and lets take it from the organizations that shouldn’t have it and put it in the place where it’s needed.

Matthew Holt is the publisher of The Health Care Blog

Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2023

Time: 12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time

Duration: 30 minutes

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