Comments on: Will Regina Holliday Become Health Care’s Rosa Parks? https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2012/05/05/will-regina-holliday-become-health-cares-rosa-park/ Everything you always wanted to know about the Health Care system. But were afraid to ask. Thu, 01 Dec 2022 20:32:02 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.4 By: hospital plan https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2012/05/05/will-regina-holliday-become-health-cares-rosa-park/#comment-454506 Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:19:50 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=44019#comment-454506 Having read this I believed it was very enlightening.
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By: Tyree Eliopoulos https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2012/05/05/will-regina-holliday-become-health-cares-rosa-park/#comment-247628 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 04:30:11 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=44019#comment-247628 Nice attempt at evading the issue. Perhaps you could explain how alleged “precluding preventative care and aggravating early stages of disease” and “militaristic blindly demurring to our police and military” etc. excuses or even relates to Robinson’s exemplary cruelty. Ah, never mind. For really, when you boil away all the ideological goo and dribble, the truth is that the celebrated Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist behaved in a manner that no decent person can excuse. And to be rudely frank, those who do make excuses for him or attempt to deflect attention from the vileness of what he said are no better than he is.

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By: Michael Millenson https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2012/05/05/will-regina-holliday-become-health-cares-rosa-park/#comment-212256 Thu, 10 May 2012 16:28:23 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=44019#comment-212256 Gilles, of course, I agree. That is why I have been such a strong supporter of Regina and participatory medicine — way back when it was called patient empowerment.

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By: e-Patient Dave https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2012/05/05/will-regina-holliday-become-health-cares-rosa-park/#comment-212251 Thu, 10 May 2012 15:52:05 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=44019#comment-212251 In reply to Gilles Frydman.

@Gilles,

> non-participation should not be forced on anyone

Brilliantly said. That’s a “forever” quotable.

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By: Gilles Frydman https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2012/05/05/will-regina-holliday-become-health-cares-rosa-park/#comment-212236 Thu, 10 May 2012 14:47:19 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=44019#comment-212236 Michael, you wrote “participation should not be forced on everyone”. May I suggest that it is even truer that “non-participation should not be forced on anyone”.

A non-paternalistic healthcare system naturally accepts that patient-centered medicine really means that the patient is at the center of it all, (including in shared decision making). In such a system, how much participation is acceptable becomes a moot point. The patient decides. This system accepts active participation as default and can easily scale back to ANY mix of participation and non-participation.

The reverse system, the old paternalistic model that refuses to go away, obviously lacks the flexibility to fully accept and integrate active engagement of the patient as main decision maker. That’s why so many wrong decisions are made at every level of the system. Until the “Industrial Age” medical system is replaced by the one generated by “Network Age”, this nation will not be able to get a handle of runaway medical costs.

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By: e-Patient Dave https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2012/05/05/will-regina-holliday-become-health-cares-rosa-park/#comment-211505 Tue, 08 May 2012 01:17:14 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=44019#comment-211505 In reply to Michael Millenson.

> the opportunity for patients to decide just how participatory they want to be

And I think the whole point here is that it’s outdated for clinicians to be making that decision.

Years ago the domain of Shared Decision Making acquired research showing that doctors don’t do a reliable job of estimating what treatment their patients would choose if fully informed. Years later, this winter the Open Notes project documented that in the baseline survey at start of the project, physicians were waaaay off in estimating what their patients would want re their records …. docs mostly said patients wouldn’t want the info, and patients actually were 90% for it.

It doesn’t matter why this is. I just know, for heaven’s sake, let’s improve healthcare by (for one thing) asking patients what THEY think is important.

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By: Michael Millenson https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2012/05/05/will-regina-holliday-become-health-cares-rosa-park/#comment-211503 Tue, 08 May 2012 01:07:14 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=44019#comment-211503 I agree completely that “participation” should not be forced on everyone. I have an elderly father who, at age 50, would have been quite participatory. Not quite so desirous of that at age 90.

What we need, however, is the opportunity for patients to decide just how participatory they want to be — a lot, a little, not at all. Giving you your medical records after 30 days makes the decision for you. Working in partnership with your physician and respecting his/her clinical experience is great. In some cases, there needs to be a bit of work for that respect to go in both directions.

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By: platon20 https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2012/05/05/will-regina-holliday-become-health-cares-rosa-park/#comment-211500 Tue, 08 May 2012 00:52:43 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=44019#comment-211500 While its true that “collaborative” decision making between doctors and patients can work, it is NOT necessarily ideal in all situations.

Consider teh following scenario:

75 y/o husband and wife come for a follow-up exam, the husband had a recent biopsy showing grade 3 lymphoma. Here’s what happens under a “collaborative” model:

Doctor: we have chemo protocols A, B, C, and D which are successful in X, Y, Z% of patients with side effects #1-#10. Or we can do a combination of radiation + chemo which comes in 5 different flavors, is successful in X, Y,Z% of cases with side effects #11-#20. Oh by the way, we also have to define what ‘successful’ means, so lets talk about 5 year survival rates, 5 year morbidity rates, etc. Here’s your menu of options, here’s a stack of paperwork to read, you guys think it over for a few days and then let me know which option you want to pick.

I submit to you that’s not ideal for every clinical encounter.

Sometimes patients do better in the “paternal” model where you say “there are a lot of options out there, but in my professional medical opinion the best option is X, for these reasons.”

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By: Lori Etheridge Nerbone https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2012/05/05/will-regina-holliday-become-health-cares-rosa-park/#comment-211362 Mon, 07 May 2012 15:33:29 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=44019#comment-211362 Thank you for this great post and to Regina for the remarkable ways that she breaks down barriers through the use of not only her artist’s brush but with the written and spoken word.

I truly believe that transparency is and will continue to be the most powerful tool we have to getting to safer, high-quality, patient-centered care.

Whether it’s transparency with our medical records, patient care outcomes, research, or costs…..it levels the playing field by giving consumers/patients what they need most: information and knowledge.

This is how to empower patients. This is what will drive improvement from the outside-in. This is what will give patients the power they deserve to be captain of their own health care team (credit and thanks to Mary Brennan- Taylor for the analogy).

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By: Casey Quinlan https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2012/05/05/will-regina-holliday-become-health-cares-rosa-park/#comment-211303 Mon, 07 May 2012 12:44:17 +0000 https://thehealthcareblog.com/?p=44019#comment-211303 Calcification isn’t only inherent in organic systems. It’s also prevalent in human institutions, which goes a long way toward explaining the paternalism within the healthcare systems.

Poor patients. They don’t understand medicine. We’ll let them know when there’s something they need to know.

The only path toward de-calcification is exactly what Regina and the e-patient movement is all about: creating a two-way collaborative relationship between healthcare and its customers – a/k/a patients – that will drive better health for both sides.

To accomplish that, we’ll have to take advantage of every teachable moment. Patients need to educate healthcare on how to collaborate with us.

Dr. Motew’s confusion (indicated above) makes it clear we can’t trust the policy wonks to come up with rules that make collaboration possible. So the policy wonks need to listen to patients, too.

Onward.

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